tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post7177450042067369151..comments2023-08-13T05:48:46.583-06:00Comments on Crowsnest Pass Home: Thunder in the Valley Committee ReactsCrowsnest Pass Homehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05045130138290202472noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-18795659538849823912012-04-02T21:39:20.373-06:002012-04-02T21:39:20.373-06:00Well, did anyone see the story in the Pass Herald ...Well, did anyone see the story in the Pass Herald today? Apparently the "Thunder in the Valley" committee has been approached by an interested group to move the 2012 Thunder in the Valley fireworks show to the city of Medicine Hat, on the long weekend in July. <br /><br />If the committee decides to move this event, then the registered name "Thunder in the Valley" goes with it. As a result Rum Runners Days would no longer be able advertise the event "Thunder in the Valley". <br /><br />So bye bye forever, Thunder in the Valley. Believe you me, it won't be back next year either. The TITV committee will go where they are appreciated and wanted. If they end up giving away the registered rights to the name, we will never get it back!! <br /><br />A BIG "thank you" once again goes out to our "wise" council!!! <br /><br />I am really beginning to hate living here in this, soon to be, police state. Big Brother obviously rules and makes all the decisions for us the ( we must be) uneducated and uninformed people of the Pass. Council must feel that we are soooooo stupid that we will just happily go along with all this crap. They must really think that we want neighbors tattling on neighbors, fines of $2800.00 to get us to comply and ultimately control on all our thoughts and wants. After all council knows what's best for EVERYONE!! Don't worry, you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. <br /><br />The BIG question is:<br /><br />Are we really so complacent? Where are the people who should be standing up to this?? Are they lurking in quiet corners and back rooms, behind computer monitors and keyboards, peeking out nervously from behind their shuttered windows? I hear lots of whispers and talk of dissension, but see no action. <br /><br />I guess we will just roll over and play dead, because that is exactly what this community will become, if we do nothing. <br /><br />I am not afraid to stand up to the man!! Is anyone behind me?? Or am I all alone in this? <br /><br />- Sasha JaegerBairdSasha JaegerBairdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-29877259087040687552012-03-20T16:11:26.190-06:002012-03-20T16:11:26.190-06:00So for those that think people are coming to see o...So for those that think people are coming to see our little parade, carnival, petting zoo, car show etc.<br />When was the last time you made the 40KM trek to Sparwood for Coal Miner Days?<br />Most comical part of all; it is still going to cost us $58,000 for policing.<br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-715774294720997112012-03-19T23:41:35.006-06:002012-03-19T23:41:35.006-06:00SJB:
I appreciate your efforts and frustration, b...SJB:<br /><br />I appreciate your efforts and frustration, but I think any ideas you came up with could not be workable unless Council developed bylaws on policing, traffic and random camping.<br /><br />AFAIK, they did nothing. What were they thinking? (Not a rhetorical question - did they really think this issue would go away if they recruited a committee?).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-49841449341212029342012-03-19T11:02:50.102-06:002012-03-19T11:02:50.102-06:00Safety suddenly an issue in 2012.
According to the...Safety suddenly an issue in 2012.<br />According to the Municipal minutes Local detachment head Sgt Scott Howard met with the municipal council on December 21,2010 to express the RCMP's concerns.<br />Ample time to have cancelled TITV 2011 if safety was a real issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-61643703357381482032012-03-17T12:52:51.331-06:002012-03-17T12:52:51.331-06:00Regarding the random camping, there is never any r...Regarding the random camping, there is never any random camping in most towns. Put a big sign up at all entrances: NO CAMPING ALLOWED IN TOWN LIMITS. Seems very simple to me. I think that is where most of the problems stem from. I think they could still do that for the Rum Runner days. It is a good start. People only do what they are allowed to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-24159530878513459072012-03-17T10:13:20.111-06:002012-03-17T10:13:20.111-06:00Thanks for the info SJB. It's too bad that som...Thanks for the info SJB. It's too bad that some of the suggestions the committee presented were not accepted. They would have addressed a lot of the issues surrounding this event. It's my understanding that the BFD was not in favor of changing the location. Do you know whether this is correct? Also, were they in favor of user fees?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-86851165491132573362012-03-16T16:47:37.529-06:002012-03-16T16:47:37.529-06:00We proposed venue location changes (Hillcrest Ball...We proposed venue location changes (Hillcrest Ball Diamonds and Sentinel among others). We suggested designated camping and parking areas with a shuttle service (all with nominal pay per user fees - with single user fees, family rates and unlimited day rates). Thus giving us some revenue and eliminating random camping and solving parking issues. Knowing full well that this will take some time to get everyone on board and as Rome was not built in a day, it may take time for everyone to comply with the elimination of random camping. We talked about event fees for the fireworks, also generating some much needed revenue to offset the costs. These are only a few of the many things that we talked about, worked through and proposed to council. If you want to know more or have any questions, the public is always welcome to come and take part. Our meetings have always been open and our information readily available to anyone. Also we are still looking for volunteers to help with Rum Runner Day's. <br /><br />- SJBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-63628493739871897752012-03-16T09:33:38.786-06:002012-03-16T09:33:38.786-06:00SJB, can you please tell us specifically what idea...SJB, can you please tell us specifically what ideas/changes were recommended by the Rum Runner Days Committee? Did any of these involve a change of venue for the fireworks? From what I understand, this is something the BFD was not prepared to do. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-85136808566840278712012-03-16T09:30:10.527-06:002012-03-16T09:30:10.527-06:00So much discussion around who should volunteer and...So much discussion around who should volunteer and what area you should volunteer...<br />The people around here are making me not want to volunteer for anything - and I don't mean the Council. The people in general here complain about everything. No matter where you go, complain, complain. We moved for a small town atmosphere. Hope it gets better than this. Here is wishing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-51851595653678088452012-03-16T05:03:18.187-06:002012-03-16T05:03:18.187-06:00To anonymous at 12:47.pm.
Maybe if you had come ...To anonymous at 12:47.pm. <br /><br />Maybe if you had come out to any one of numerous the Rum Runner Committee meetings, you might have seen that we did put forth many of the great ideas that you suggested. Only to be shot down by council. Council asked for solutions, we complied with great suggestions, only for us to get shot down and shut down by council. As far as council was concerned, end of story and end of Thunder in the Valley.<br /><br />-SJBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-49514194739105171782012-03-15T23:12:28.638-06:002012-03-15T23:12:28.638-06:00Brent:
According to the Promoter last month:
Sou...Brent:<br /><br />According to the <a href="http://www.crowsnestpasspromoter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3463623" rel="nofollow">Promoter</a> last month:<br /><br /><i><b>Southern Alberta District Operations Officer Inspector Joe McGeough ... said other events in the province evolved in the same way and are no longer provided RCMP members. The organizers now pay for security for events such as the Lethbridge Air Show and Big Valley Jamboree, he said.<br />...<br />This is something we’ve done in all the other communities. This is the last event we’ve struggled with getting the manpower</b></i><br /><br />Council was told the same last year by our local RCMP but they didn't get the message, so the RCMP sent the big brass to make it loud and clear.<br /><br />I think this got Council's attention:<br /><br /><i><b>McGeough explained that he is often called to give testimony at inquiries on behalf of the RCMP. In the event he is required to do so regarding Rum Runner Days, he said he would have no hesitation testifying that he has outlined the police’s concerns.</b></i><br /><br />What bugs me is that I voted for some of these guys because they claimed to be all about proper policies and procedures. Instead they hand off important issues of public safety, liability and spending to an informal "unofficial" committee. They then make decisions based on information and advice from this "outside" group, even though Chairman Saindon has declared "conflict of interest" because of his involvement.<br /><br />The proper legal way would have been to appoint an official Council Committee with members sworn in and subject to conflict of interest rules and transparency about their sources of information. It would then not be necessary for the Chairman to abstain from voting on Council. Since membership in a non-profit group is specifically not a valid reason for abstaining, Saindon may technically be disqualified from Council (others may be in the same boat).<br /><br />What a Gong Show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-71608752678738859472012-03-15T13:47:47.644-06:002012-03-15T13:47:47.644-06:00Is there a reason why the organizers of Thunder In...Is there a reason why the organizers of Thunder In The Valley are, or were, so against changing the venue for the fireworks? I don’t believe they will ever be able to fix some of the problems regarding public safety, traffic and the CPR, as long as they are using downtown Blairmore as the location for the fireworks. It's become too large an event, drawing too large a crowd. Would someone not have suggested the baseball complex near the Hillcrest Cemetery as an alternate site? I believe this was suggested right here on this blog before. I'm sure there would be plenty of room for this event at that location. Probably would also be able to set up a campground or two. The disturbance would be minimal to residents. It would be easy to have a gate for admission and still leave plenty of areas where people could watch from outside the grounds. I’m sure there are other logistics to consider, but I’d like to hear why it can’t be held at the ball complex. Are they concerned another slide will occur on the mountain while the fireworks are happening?<br /><br />I realize some of the business owners in Blairmore would not approve of moving things, but others probably wouldn’t mind at all. There are a certain number of people who wonder through some of the shops in Blairmore during the day, but many of these people would still come into town for the parade, midway and other events. I wonder how many of the 20,000 to 30,000 people who attend the fireworks, come an hour or two prior to the show and don’t patronize any of the stores, anyway. It’s too late for this year, but if there’s any hope for this event to continue next year there will need to be some major compromising on both sides.<br /><br />Without a doubt, Thunder In The Valley has helped put Crowsnest Pass on the map. It definitely brings a lot of people here for this weekend. Unfortunately, it has also created major problems within the community. The people who organize and control this event, and those who stand to gain the most, need to realize this. Having said that, hopefully, there will be a way to resolve this. Otherwise, maybe it’s best for all involved to move on to other things. Perhaps they already have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-48671847742909366052012-03-15T11:40:16.606-06:002012-03-15T11:40:16.606-06:00Brent, I agree 100%. I have to believe this is all...Brent, I agree 100%. I have to believe this is all about power, council does not like the way the Blairmore fire department responded to their requests. So the big ego said find me an excuse and we will shut it down and the lemmings jumped aboard.<br /> They say they had a lenghty debate and it was a tough decision and yet the vote was 6-0.WOWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-16905969895381514722012-03-15T10:54:36.770-06:002012-03-15T10:54:36.770-06:00Yes, exactly. Sounds like it should have been canc...Yes, exactly. Sounds like it should have been cancelled like 5 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-76811609397029012762012-03-15T09:53:15.455-06:002012-03-15T09:53:15.455-06:008:38
I know the Stampede is not the same thing.!...8:38 <br /><br />I know the Stampede is not the same thing.!!!<br />That is not my point, it is do you think there is any event anywhere in Alberta, Canada for that matter where the RCMP would not raise concerns. (30,000 people)<br />Plus is there any where that you can tell me they have given a guarantee of safety?<br /><br />That is the point.<br /><br />To the point of time the committee did not start meeting until November and made the decision in March. Could have done the same thing last year same time frames.<br />Why were these safety concerns not raised last year. If they were why did TITV go ahead? <br /><br />BrentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-5672547942210964372012-03-15T09:38:48.335-06:002012-03-15T09:38:48.335-06:00You are silly. Cannot compare the Calgary Stampede...You are silly. Cannot compare the Calgary Stampede to here. And there are a lot of police on the grounds, always. It takes time for a new council to figure everything out. Unfortunately everyone will not be happy with their decisions, but that's life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-26115941275234570452012-03-15T09:17:19.514-06:002012-03-15T09:17:19.514-06:005:21
Two comments for you to think about, while y...5:21<br /><br />Two comments for you to think about, while you continue to be part of the snow job.<br />Councillor Saindon and the rest of his council were elected in Oct 2010.<br />If safety was a real issue way back in 2007 why did they allow it to go ahead last year.<br />They did not cancel this year until early March if safety was the issue they had ample time last year.<br /><br />The RCMP show concern every time they meet with the organizers of a large event. (It is the proper thing) <br />Do you honestly think that the Lethbridge Air Show, Calgary stampede, or any other large event holds in it's hand a guarantee of safety from the RCMP.<br /><br />I know it is not on the same level but why not cancel the fireworks because Environment Canada cannot guarantee that it will not rain that weekend.<br /><br />BrentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-41352507854697590862012-03-15T06:34:28.639-06:002012-03-15T06:34:28.639-06:00Ha ha, listed your house, where are you going to m...Ha ha, listed your house, where are you going to move? <br />To Calgary where the average price is over $400,000.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-6709147846869056792012-03-15T06:21:30.938-06:002012-03-15T06:21:30.938-06:00I just read Emile Saindon's blog about TITV. ...I just read Emile Saindon's blog about TITV. I really appreciate that he lets us know things that are going on. Actually, I believe he is quite transparent. Imagine, back in 2007 hearing about the issues and nothing was done......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-81243498610897000032012-03-15T06:18:06.647-06:002012-03-15T06:18:06.647-06:00South of the tracks, north, east and west, still l...South of the tracks, north, east and west, still lots of dumpy properties. Can't wait for the new bylaws.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-66560082912400259532012-03-15T06:17:10.926-06:002012-03-15T06:17:10.926-06:00"South" of the tracks. You are too weird..."South" of the tracks. You are too weird. And so goes on the weird ideas that the old people in CNP have. I have never seen such a divided area in my entire life. I am starting to wish I had never moved here. The people are like from the 1920's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-74061967720398281582012-03-15T06:11:34.528-06:002012-03-15T06:11:34.528-06:00As usual, some people overreacting like they do in...As usual, some people overreacting like they do in the Pass. <br />I have never seen such opininated people, thinking without doubt that they are right. As mentioned before, compromise is not a word in the vocabulalry of a CNP resident. I don't think it is good to pick apart everything without knowing all the details. I don't think we are privy to everything. I don't think that happens at any level of government. I would be afraid to be a councillor here - people are kind of erractic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-57771688134086959652012-03-14T13:05:36.935-06:002012-03-14T13:05:36.935-06:00Just put my house on the market(south of the track...Just put my house on the market(south of the tracks). Getting the hell out of here before it gets worst. CNP area -1 Fernie/Sparwood +1 Thanks Ayatollah Decoux and disciples.Brentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-20348970226517010842012-03-14T12:07:22.772-06:002012-03-14T12:07:22.772-06:00Who knows, the real estate market may actually pic...Who knows, the real estate market may actually pick up now, particularly for listings on the south side of the tracks in Blairmore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3170383155508070340.post-3979087483372660662012-03-13T19:56:55.107-06:002012-03-13T19:56:55.107-06:00To 09:47
Thunder in the valley has been going for...To 09:47<br /><br />Thunder in the valley has been going for 18 years, yet our population has been declining. I don't think the TITV attendees are home buyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com